Monday, May 7, 2012

Fraudulent Coupons - Do Not Buy Coupons From These Sites


UPDATE: 3 people have been arrested in Phoenix, AZ in connection with the SavvyShopperSite for coupon fraud. Full story HERE.

There are a couple of new websites that have been brought to my attention that specialize in selling fraudulent coupons. While buying and using these high-value coupons can certainly be tempting, it's highly illegal and makes us all suffer. Why?

When fraudulent/counterfeit coupons are used - the store does NOT get reimbursed from the manufacturer for the amount taken off at the register. In turn the store loses money and you've just STOLEN from them. Yes, you shoplifted!!

When this happens, stores will scrutinize yours and everyone else's coupons and may even refuse to take coupons in the future because of the trouble they went through. Do you blame them?

Here are the two websites that I know of and there may be even more out there. I'm in NO way promoting these sites - quite the contrary! I want to give you this information so that you are in the "know".


The minute I read the information given on this site, it sent up red flags.

#1 - You must have a referral to buy from them?

We welcome referrals, for your family and friends. We caution you to protect this information and only share with trusted and honest people who have common sense. If we have any problems with someone that you have referred, your future orders may be cancelled. We request that you not share our information with people that you don't actually know. This includes forums and any public viewing areas or websites. We do not educate people on coupons. This is entirely the consumer's responsibility. Common sense and good judgement are required. No new couponers.

#2 -They have a wall of shame in which they post your name and address for everyone on the web to see.

Wall of Shame:
This section has been created and reserved especially for
Bad Check Writers, Con Artists and Scammers. Make no mistake, these people have taken items and not paid for them.

#3 - Most of the coupons they sell are for completely FREE items and the rest are extremely high in value. These coupons are not listed in any legitimate coupon database!!

There are very few 100% FREE product coupons out there. FREE product coupons usually come straight from the manufacturer to the consumer through snail mail, facebook promotion or other means but will not be available in unlimited quantities for someone to buy and sell.

#4 - The price of these coupons is extremely high - up to $20 for only one coupon.


Same red flags come up with this site:

Must have a referral, minimum of $50 for each purchase, completely FREE and high-value coupons not found in legitimate databases and high prices on these coupons.


Now I know that most of you would not dream of using fake coupons on purpose and that's why I'm giving you this information. If you're ever in doubt, you can look for a list of current fraudulent coupons on the Coupon Information Corporation (CIC) website. You can even contact them with information on suspectious coupons that you come across.

Leave me a comment and let me know how you feel about this.

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71 comments:

  1. THANK YOU for posting this! A friend told me about theSavvyShopperSite and I took one look and knew it was phony, but my friend insisted it was legit because "somebody I trust told me about it."

    I'll make sure she reads your post so she'll know it's not just me who thinks it's bogus. Appreciate your write-up...thanks so much!

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    1. I am Linda from SW Pa. I have purchased from Savvy for over a year, during which time I haven't encountered fraudulent coupons, I even verified one of the coupons with the manufacturer. Some are hologramed. I have NO faith in the CIC because in the past they have put up (just to name 1 coupon) a Coke coupon gotton with Coke rewards and when it was called to their attention, they said the company sent a fake coupon...come on people....get real! I have also recently started ordering from teamoffive, also....no problems there either. I really think that if you don't know for certain what you are talking about, you shouldn't say it unless you have absolute proof of all these "fake" coupons. Savvy was recently investigated by a television station because a buyer from the site apparently copied coupons and then tried to say she got them from there....needless to say: the tv station was apologizing the next day after it aired it's telecast saying savvy was selling fake coupons...because her site as well as her coupons were proven legitimate. Just because someone has access to this many free product coupons doesn't mean they are fake....and next time, do your homework and know what you are saying....

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    3. WBRZ News, I think it's Channel 2, Baton Rouge
      it would've been about a month ago, if I can find the date, I will tell you.

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    4. http://www.wbrz.com/videoplayer/?video_id=5945&categories=236

      I feel that if this was a "real story with a legitimate claim of counterfeiting coupons" dont you think the big news media would have picked up that story.

      this is what savvy said on her webstie:
      n response to a "one sided" local news story aired on Thursday, 3/29/12 in Louisiana; our items are absolutely genuine, authentic and obtained from direct employees or authorized affiliates. The person cited in the news story, Karen Meadows, has purchased from our site on 3 separate occasions. Total monies spent, $87.00. ($14 was shipping/handling). Total items purchased $73. It is physically impossible for her to have purchased that little from us and obtained so much from the stores. It's no wonder that her coupons are now being refused. She was either copying them herself or purchasing from other sources.

      If you reside in this area (or any area) and wish to return any items, you may do so by following the directions on our website.
      However, we will not, under any circumstances stand for being accused of such fraudulence.

      The following day or a day or two later, according to a message that was ont he savvy webstie I didn't copy, she thanks the news station for their followup broadcast indicating savvy does sell legit coupons.

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    5. I think there are legit coupons out there to save people money! My husbands going back to school and I've been getting back in to couponing! Great way to save the family money. I tried to become a member of teamoffive and I need a referral! Anyone willing to refer me please?

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  2. What I don't understand I'd if they are fraudulent why aren't they listed by the CIC?

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    1. because this is probably just someone who reported this to here who wants to cause trouble and put them out of business, person probably has a coupon selling site theirselves.

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  3. The winn dixie in walker has stopped accepting printable coupons for free items. I am pretty well known around there and the employees have told me people have been redeeming coupons from that savvy coupon sites and (obviously) not getting reimbursed. apparently they have lost customers since they quit accepting them but I responded good! They will have a better profit margin without them. We seasoned couponers know if a coupon value is to good to be true, it usually is. For example, one of the coupons was for a free coke 12 pack. No way would a pdf be released of this kind. Anyway, this aggravates me so much because this is the second policy change in 3 months. My coupons have been scrutinized like never before and its terrible to know my favorite store to shop in is being a victim of coupon fraud. These few ppl are rooming this store and we all lose in these situations.

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    1. none of savvy's coupons are for you to print in pdf or any format, they are mfg. printed and come to you through the mail. If that store changed it's policy, then it did so because of the internet home printed coupons...90% of stores in our area won't take those anymore...it's the mfg. ones or nothing.

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    1. You are absoleutely correct, they are NOT printable, and her coupons were recently the topic of a tv news story....they were determined LEGIT. I really think that someone should've contacted both of these site owners to get both sides of everything before putting things on here.

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  6. I have used Savvy and Teamoffive and they both have manufacturers coupons that save my family alot of money. They set those rules because of all the people that abuse them.

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    1. How can people abuse a legitimate coupon service?

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    2. they can abuse by purchasing a coupon and making copies of it theirselves to try to pass off as the original, or by trying to redeem large amts. of free product coupons all at once. I use both services, also: and have NEVER gotton anything but great service, and legitimate coupons.

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    3. How do you buy from teamoffive? I signed up for an account but when I try to sign in it says my account hasn't been activated. And it says to contact us but nothing happens when I click on it. I got an email that I thought meant it activated it. Please advise. Thanks.

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    4. I tried to also a few days ago and they sent me an email asking who referred me. If anyone would refer me I would greatly appreciate it!

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    5. Have you tried yourcoupongal@yahoo.com If you email her she will send you a list of her free product coupons.

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    6. Hi i emailed coupon gal and she said i need a refferal to get on her list. Im wondering if i could use your name or if you know somebody that would refer me. Roxanne feighner

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  7. Manufacturers do allow sites to distribute their coupons to consumers as a marketing tool. If a consumer uses these and likes the product, then they will continue to use the product, even without a coupon. Free is free. If the store refuses to accept them, then that is that. The site will reimburse you if the store refuses the coupons. They have reimbursed me for expired ones that I didnt get to use. These are not printed coupons, I have used them for months now, and all the stores I have used them at have been reimbursed for them, I HAVE asked them.

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  8. I have never had a problem with savvy shopper they are not internet printed coupon. The problem is when people use them irresponibly. the problem comes from people useing multiple coupons of the same kind at the same time. As long as the stores take them i will use them.

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  9. I have gotton from dealpickle and had problems, I never had any problems with anything from teamoffive, and I ordered one time from savvyshoppersite, and no problems there either. At the time I ordered from savvy, there was a problem with Royal Canin coupons, and although I hadn't ordered them, I remember her sending an alert to all customers that there was indeed a bogus Crown Partners Royal Canin coupon out there as a method to help us protect ourselves against fraud. How can that be even considered a dishonest site. My grandson used to work where they made free product coupons by the thousands, and it was no big deal for authorized reps to get "x" amount of them to distribute, (and I suppose some were sold to these people who are selling them), so why is it that people cannot get it into their heads that things like this do happen...the world is not all bad, sometimes there are good things that can help people stretch their money....and if anyone wants to believe that www.teamofffive.net or www.savvyshoppersite.com is bad, go ahead...it is your loss. Now that I have ranted and raved, I will tell you that I am a CSM at a local WalMart and we DO accept the coupons from these sites: AND WE DO GET REIMBURSED FROM THE CLEARINGHOUSES....THEY ARE LEGIT.

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  10. Okay, what about some of the other sties?
    Like
    couponsandsavings.ecrater.com
    or
    dealpickle.big
    or
    couponsavings4you.ecrater.com
    are those ones legit or fake?
    I buy from these three and haven't had any issues: but in another post, someone says they had issues with bad coupons from dealpickle, that's bad because that sites only been there a couple weeks...not too good for business.

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  11. SEVERAL OF US ARE USING SAVVYSHOPPER AND HAVE BEEN FOR OVER A YEAR, WE HAVE CHECKED WITH THE STORES IN THE BEGINNING AND WERE ASSURED THAT THEY WERE GETTING REIMBURSED FOR THE COUPON VALUE, EVEN THE WINN-DIXIE IN WALKER. THE ONLY TIME WE HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WAS AFTER THE WOMAN GOT CAUGHT WITH COPIED COUPONS. WE JUST DON'T USE THE WINN-DIXIE IN WALKER AND HAVE NO PROBLEM. WE WOULD NOT BE A PARTY TO FRAUD IN ANY FORM. COKE ASSURED US THE COKE COUPON WAS GOOD.

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  12. Thank you for posting this testimony and inside information. It only confirms what real savvy couponers already know. Bravo!!!

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    1. Melissa WaltersMay 9, 2012 at 6:10 PM

      Christi Baham Willie, You were NEVER accused of being the REASON that this article was written. Quite an ego you have. Yes, let's see that email conversation, the entire conversation, not your edited version.

      Melissa Walters, SavvyShopperSite

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  14. Melissa I have deleted my comments, emailed you asking you to leave me alone. You emailed me the link to this post I didn't know about until you sent it.

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    1. Melissa WaltersMay 9, 2012 at 6:20 PM

      Really? Except for the one that you just published. If you talk trash about me or talk trash to me on a public forum, I am going to respond.

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    2. Thank you SAVVY!!!!! I'd love to know her comment!

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    3. http://couponinformationcenter.com/doc/News-Release-Savvyshoppersite-final.pdf

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  15. Not using that language you used in the email are you!

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  16. Melissa WaltersMay 9, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    You are correct, I'm not putting up with your BS. This is a PUBLIC site, I have enough intelligence to realize that people who don't want to read cursing, may be viewing this. Keep it up!

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  17. Barb Atkins in Port Saint Lucie, FlMay 10, 2012 at 9:25 AM

    I have not used Teamoffive therefore can not comment on that site but I have used Savvyshoppersite for a little under a year. I can not say that I have had no problems because occasionally you run into problems when using "Free procuct coupons" - It's just par for the course - Unfortunately people get these high value coupons, make copies of them, and distribute them making even the original legitimate coupons suspect when they end up on the CIC or just a stores list of frauds. When a store turns in copies of original coupons and does not get reimbursed - that coupon is probly going on a fraud list - you can't expect the cashiers to be able to differentiate a copy from an original when all they have is the coupons manufacture, value, ex. date - even if they had a pic, its still a copy of the original! I have personally ran into several copies of different coupons i have purchased off of Savvyshoppersite.com- Sometimes the verbage is changed making the deal a little better but most of the time it is just a perfect copy of the original, although a lower quality copy, still a perfect copy! I personaly live in an area where i shop at just 2 stores- I am well known by managers and cashiers due to couponing and have never been told one of my coupons (from Savvyshoppersite.com) came back unpaid. It's unfortunate there will always be people who take advantage of a good thing and ruin it for everyone!

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    1. Barb Atkins in Port Saint Lucie, FlMay 10, 2012 at 10:38 AM

      So if you have been "Free product couponing"long enough you know there is no shortage of copies and even outright fakes and it will never be a problem free endeavor thanks to greedy opportunist people- but If you want original legitimate manufacture coupons Savvyshoppersite.com is the only place I know to get them.

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  18. Quit drinking the "oh it's to good to be true" Koolaid! I have been purchasing from Savvyshopper for 3 years. My family & friends & I are Perfectly happy saving money every time we shop, and if you choose not to, fine with me. Her coupons are Always real, always manufacture's coupons , never print outs and always save my family and friends $$$$$.

    Problem #1 is these people that go in and use over the advised amount at a time and then cause the stores to question them because how do they know they didn't copy them? (I never use more than 1-2 of any coupon at a store)

    The 2nd problem is, like others have said, is these con artists that copy Legitimate coupons and then mass produce them and ruin it for the rest of us. If you look closely at most of the notices on the CIC , you can see Clear differences in "real" and the "copies". She always stands behind her coupons. Seriously, being so public should make you feel better about it not leary.

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  20. I just purchased 2 Seattle's Best coupons and a set of 2 for free Freschetta's pizza off ebay. I am very leery they are counterfeit. I checked the coupon place that says it has a list of all the counterfeit ones and they are not on them. I got such a great deal, so I'm hoping they are real. I also have a bid on one for a neutrogena one. It looks real too. Anyone shed any insight on this issue? I'm sweating bullets thinking I might have bought fakes.

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  21. It's raised, because it was copied and printed on a home computer, probably a laser printer. It's fake. In fact if you stack a few together, you will see the crooked edges. Some people can only afford to print on an inkjet printer, in which those inks will run or smudge if they get wet. Shame, shame, shame!

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  22. While I get what BRM is trying to do, there is no coupon database that all the manufacturers subscribe to. These databases are more like forums, where people volunteer the information. Think about it, why would companies list their available free items to the public. They are used for marketing, and solicated to certain individuals based on that advertising campaign. Not for public information.

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  23. I am just a little upse that BRM posted this without even checking her sources as many of us know these two sites have legit coupons. How would you like getting smeared for no reason BRM?

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  24. I am not sure people are getting the real picture here. Has anyone thought to ask these store how they do NOT get paid when they turn these in to the Manuf?? Or ask the Manuf directly if they make such coupons? BRM did her story BUT this was also on other news in other areas! How in the world can you get coupons valued over $50 for things like animal food? I am glad this was done and sad they have sites like this bc it hurts REAL HONEST people!
    If people can counterfeit ACTUAL money, bills, then I ASSURE you a coupon can be done!!!!

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    1. That is the real picture. These stores are getting paid. While you are correct, I'm sure there are ways to make fake coupons, if money can be copied, there isn't any indication that fakes are coming from these sites. Why would a company be so public and sell fake coupons? In these sites cases, they have been in business for YEARS. They aren't fake. It stands to reason that people are purchasing coupons from these sites or any other public venue and then creating their own fakes.

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  25. Great article written by another blogger!!!


    http://www.frugalfanatic.com/how-to-be-agood-coupon-user/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FrugalFanatic+%28Frugal+Fanatic%29

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  26. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU USED $2-$6 IN COPIED COUPONS. I THINK IT WAS 2x $1 OFF COUPONS AND 2x $2 OFF COUPONS. I FEEL SO BAD I DID NOT KNOW THEY WERE COPIES. I USED MY CREDIT CARD AS A PAYMENT METHOD. ARE THEY GOING TO TRACK ME DOWN?

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  27. Savvyshopper coupons are FAKE! Just buy a Science Diet one and see the void all over it, sure she tried to fade it out, but it's there. How about the fake Huggies coupons that do not have the hologram foil around them? Or the Hefty coupons that are not accepted. Or the Tidy Cat. Or the Bubba Burgers. My store has lost HUNDREDS of dollars due to me shopping on her site. I gave them her site, as I gave it to the local law enforcement, the CIC, and I have been contacted by not one, but several members of authority. Use them with caution. You buy a coupon it's VOID no matter if it is legit or not, it states it right on the coupon. You are committing coupon fraud the minute you had an purchased coupon to a cashier, real or fake. You've been warned :0)

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  28. Just because a coupon says something doesn't make it so. There is no ACTUAL law stating you cannot buy coupons. Fortunately for consumers we are still allowed to use coupons as we want rather than how they dictate. I'm going to issue a coupon saying that once said item is bought, I the manufacturer get to come and take it back. Contrary to your opinion once I have the coupon in my hand, I can do what I want with it(besides copy it) as I now OWN that coupon, I can trade, sell, rip it up etc.. to my hearts content.

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  29. Does anyone know the actual owner's name and telephone number of the www.savvyshoppersite.com web site? I just purchased $43 in coupons for the first time and my local Walmart told me they no longr accepted coupons from them becasue they are a fraud. Said they are not getting reimbursed for them. They even went as far as to say they are offering a reward to anyone who can give them the person's name who owns the site! I am highly disappointed. :( And out $43, unless they are legit and can be used somewhere else.

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    1. Which Walmart was it? The one in Hammond never gives me any problems. The savvy website stands behind there items, they will let you return them.

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  30. If Savvyshoppersite.com and Teamoffive.net have legitimate coupons then why are they so cautious about letting new people ordering? They seem to only want established customers that they know whill not turn them in.

    Does anyone have a referral name for both of these sites? That's the only way I'll be able to order and see for myself if the coupons are valid or not.

    Thank upi/

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  31. My thoughts exactly. Why do both of those websites not allowed any new customers unless they know for sure you have been referred by one of their approved sellers? Are they afraid of selling to someone new who will receognize their coupons as fake and turn them in? Why else wouldn't they want new customers?

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    1. you will not receive coupons from either of these sellers that you'd recognize as 'fakes'. they look absolutely real.
      savvy no longer requires you to be referred.

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  32. You guys who believe savvy is a fraud are damn fools. I have been using them for years! Are the people responding here really from the same town? What is this "my local walmart" crap? Theres like a hundred stores, just drive to the next one! Here in New York we have more stores on every block than the people living in the buildings above them. Just keep it moving...

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  33. For those people who swear the savvy coupons are real, why do you post using "anonymous"? Why not use your real name?

    Oh, and the person that said Savvy no longer requires a referral, "forgot" to mention the only way you can order without one is to send a moneypak for your payment. I wouldn't trust doing that under any circumstances!

    Also, teamoffive.net just changed her entire website. It no longer offers coupons - only weight loss items. Wonder why she suddently stopped selling the free (fraudulent) coupons? My guess is she got scared of getting in trouble or actually got into trouble. She wouldn't stop her profitable coupon selling website overnight unless something went wrong.

    So all you people who thought her coupons were legit, think again. She'd still be selling them if they were.

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    1. I wondered why everyone saying savvy coupons are real posted as anonymous also!

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  34. More news on the counterfeit coupon case:

    http://couponinformationcenter.com/doc/News-Release-Savvyshoppersite-final.pdf

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  35. Good news in spreading the word about these people! More information on today's case here: http://couponsinthenews.com/2012/07/10/cops-crack-crooked-coupon-caper/

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  36. Wow!! All these Anonymous people are so defensive about Savvy being fraudulent. Either they are connected to the person who runs the website or they have bought from the sight and are defending the site because they don't wanna have to admit they been SHOPLIFTING from the stores. The point is they got busted and I think its HILARIOUS.

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    1. Evy once again lolJuly 12, 2012 at 12:40 AM

      darn typos ... i meant to write sight

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  37. haha NOT my night, stupid auto-correct on my phone *site

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  38. I remember reading this thread last month, so thought of you when this news came out today:
    http://couponsinthenews.com/2012/08/01/how-to-make-coupons-and-get-busted-for-it/
    One less counterfeiter out there now!

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  39. I'm not writing as "anonymous" my name is Nancy(greenmtngal)from ebay.. and though I have yet to use either site I am wondering why you have nothing better to do than be the "internets nazi police?" Get a life! THIS over COUPONS?! You're good at dishing it out~I'll give you that..your "skills" could do alot more if you'd go after the "REAL CROOKS"..rich, corporate America. Now that would be something that would SERIOUSLY help our economy. Get a life and leave the "small fish" alone. Or do I detect some ultruistic motive here like..jealousy perhaps? Lol!

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  40. Here I am again("tongue in cheek") to APOLOGIZE. Me thinks that you just might be on to something.I have tried and tried for the past few days to join the teamoffive site with no success. This after being very open and transparent with them. Hmmm. Soooo I went to ebay where I both buy and sell and asked a few fellow sellers for a "recommendation" to get me entry there(presuming that is their source)..and? Nada! Not a word or a reply. I do wonder now what they are being so "elusive" about. I TRULY AM SORRY for my previous message Nancy (greenmtngal).

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  41. putz2013
    September 17, 2013 at 5:04 am

    CouponsInTheNews.com, if you want the rest of my emails and all correspondence interaction between eBay and myself. Let me know, as I will will show you that I had no intention of getting eBay to change their coupon policy, however it seemed that I was the one that was constantly getting screwed and something had to be done.
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    Linda
    September 27, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Dont worry – Plenty of people posting their ILLEGAL COUPONS (more than 20, multiple listings, etc) under OTHER CATEGORIES – they have ALL Been reported to EBAY in emails and on phone. it is a WASTE OF TIME!!! – they must have FAVORITE SELLERS there or something. THere is NO SENSE making a rule when you do not enforce it and you are PENALIZING the people who abide by the rules. EBAY should be ASHAMED of themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Andy putz2013
    September 27, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Linda September 27, 2013 at 9:37 am. Quite proud. If it punishes the legitimate people that want to utilize a site rampant with illegal activity then so be it and to address Dessie123
    September 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm just because they do not enforce the law does not mean a little person such as you gets to interpret what the law is. Fraud is fraud no matter how it occurs “DESSIE”.

    If the manufacturer believes a coupon may have been sold, the coupon is void, and they do not have to reimburse the store for it. One method of identifying possibly-sold coupons is via the coupon’s condition. The term “gang-cutting” refers to the practice of stacking multiple, like insert pages on top of one another, then cutting through the entire stack at the same time, either with a scissors or with a paper cutter. This is the method most often used to cut individual coupons by resellers. Gang-cut coupons are also often in mint condition, meaning that they haven’t been held or handled enough to indicate that they were hand-cut by consumers.

    Whether you like it or not, or wish to continue arguing “a coupon it’s mine, I can do what I want with it,” the truth is that the manufacturer ultimately holds all of the cards in this particular game. Again, you own the paper it’s on — not the actual exchange of money that it represents. Even if your store accepts coupons that you purchased, which were gang-cut by a reseller, the manufacturer may refuse to reimburse your store. Then, your store is forced to take a financial loss. If you wouldn’t shoplift from your store, you shouldn’t pass coupons that they will not be reimbursed for either. Some stores have added clauses to their coupon policies that they will not accept any coupons that appear to be gang-cut either, because again — as far as the manufacturer is concerned, those coupons are void.
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    andy
    September 27, 2013 at 11:53 am

    and laaaaaaastly Linda. It is eBays site if you do not like their rules no one is forcing you to go there and do business.
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    1. And lastly Linda, eBay did not like the thought of potential DOJ and their Federal Criminal fraud division getting involved. As I said in the previous one of the previous emails "if you want the rest of my emails and all correspondence interaction between eBay and myself." What I left out Liiiiiiiiiinda, was what the correspondence that I had with a member of Homeland Security - A Secret Service Agent to be precise who although he could not do anything with counterfeit coupons, he could walk across the hall to the FBI office and give him the counterfeits I received. And Linda since you are so big on telling me not to go to eBay as if you have a right to. Speak from facts before you open your mouth. Just because you are an American citizen does not give you a right to verbalize yourself especially concerning people with disabilities. Now sweetie I said what I just said to get your little pea brain going and to get you to post something on this site or another which after my lawyers subpoena your IP address from this sites administrator, I can get my attorneys to make a filing with the department of Justice.

      Sweetie the best thing for you is to walk away on this but I am only saying that because I do not want you to and I have to honestly tell a judge/court that I did say that you should walk away. But your little pea brain did not have the ability to stop you from committing a crime. I looooooove it when I am right, Leeeeeeeeeenda.


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